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		<title>Comment on NLP Secret Meta Model Question &#8211; Nigel Hetherington by admin</title>
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		<description>Hello Eric

I have read your paper and found it very interesting and educational.
Your paper is something I will require reading some more times to
get a more deeper feel for your models.

It is really detailed and technical, which requires some level of more
Basic principles understanding first.

There is nothing misleading about still using the terms &#039;deep structure&#039; and
&#039;surface structure&#039; as explanatory models as way of highlighting differences
in levels of experience and ways of representing experience. I am not teaching
Chomsky&#039;s TS simply borrowing some terms that make for easy of application.

Using the DS and SS terminology without getting into linguistics and stick diagrams
I find makes a very simple and almost immediate way to understand what the
remedial therapeutic application of Meta Modeling is attempting to do. That is reframe.

I think most of the trainers I know will suggest exploring CE and CEc in data
gathering linguistic analysis first. Course another model is to notice the nonverbals,
Yet another model right. There is Chris Halls &#039;underlying menu&#039; model, which does
it slightly different aswell. There is Micheal Breens take ( he alludes to predicate calculus too ).

Appreciate you bringing your paper to my attention.
It was certainly worth me reading it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Eric</p>
<p>I have read your paper and found it very interesting and educational.<br />
Your paper is something I will require reading some more times to<br />
get a more deeper feel for your models.</p>
<p>It is really detailed and technical, which requires some level of more<br />
Basic principles understanding first.</p>
<p>There is nothing misleading about still using the terms &#8216;deep structure&#8217; and<br />
&#8217;surface structure&#8217; as explanatory models as way of highlighting differences<br />
in levels of experience and ways of representing experience. I am not teaching<br />
Chomsky&#8217;s TS simply borrowing some terms that make for easy of application.</p>
<p>Using the DS and SS terminology without getting into linguistics and stick diagrams<br />
I find makes a very simple and almost immediate way to understand what the<br />
remedial therapeutic application of Meta Modeling is attempting to do. That is reframe.</p>
<p>I think most of the trainers I know will suggest exploring CE and CEc in data<br />
gathering linguistic analysis first. Course another model is to notice the nonverbals,<br />
Yet another model right. There is Chris Halls &#8216;underlying menu&#8217; model, which does<br />
it slightly different aswell. There is Micheal Breens take ( he alludes to predicate calculus too ).</p>
<p>Appreciate you bringing your paper to my attention.<br />
It was certainly worth me reading it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on NLP Secret Meta Model Question &#8211; Nigel Hetherington by admin</title>
		<link>http://www.trancecafe.co.uk/2012/01/nlp-secret-meta-model-question-nigel-hetherington/comment-page-1/#comment-3856</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 14:18:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric Robbie is a well respected developer in our field of NLP. I have invited Eric for a phone conversation with me and will post our outcome when he replies ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric Robbie is a well respected developer in our field of NLP. I have invited Eric for a phone conversation with me and will post our outcome when he replies &#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on NLP Secret Meta Model Question &#8211; Nigel Hetherington by Eric Robbie</title>
		<link>http://www.trancecafe.co.uk/2012/01/nlp-secret-meta-model-question-nigel-hetherington/comment-page-1/#comment-3855</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Robbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 13:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Mr Hetherington,

I don&#039;t care whether you publish this or not - this is for you, primarily, and not so much your readers.

I agree with your sentiments about using the Meta Model without rapport or compassion - but you must stop using, as an explanation, that tired old concept, the &#039;Deep Structure&#039;.

That concept belongs in the linguistics of the early 70s. It was changed into something with much less scope in 1978, reduced even further in 1981, and then pretty much eliminated altogether in 1986. 

And there was certainly was nothing left of it in 1993. 

Why on earth are you still trotting it out as an explanation? 18 years later? You&#039;re misleading your blog readers and your students.

And someday, somebody in your class might call you on it.

Getting up-to-date isn&#039;t that hard. I published a more modern version of the Meta Model a few years ago. You can get it on the internet.

Go to: theletterworthpress.com/nlpworld/7-3ROBBIE.PDF

It will costs you US $5 to download - and I don&#039;t get any of that money - I submitted the paper to the magazine pro bono.

What you may note is that the questions - and the need for courtesy remain the same. But the linguistics and cognitive psychology basis is different.

For the sake of the people who learn from you, I hope you read it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mr Hetherington,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t care whether you publish this or not &#8211; this is for you, primarily, and not so much your readers.</p>
<p>I agree with your sentiments about using the Meta Model without rapport or compassion &#8211; but you must stop using, as an explanation, that tired old concept, the &#8216;Deep Structure&#8217;.</p>
<p>That concept belongs in the linguistics of the early 70s. It was changed into something with much less scope in 1978, reduced even further in 1981, and then pretty much eliminated altogether in 1986. </p>
<p>And there was certainly was nothing left of it in 1993. </p>
<p>Why on earth are you still trotting it out as an explanation? 18 years later? You&#8217;re misleading your blog readers and your students.</p>
<p>And someday, somebody in your class might call you on it.</p>
<p>Getting up-to-date isn&#8217;t that hard. I published a more modern version of the Meta Model a few years ago. You can get it on the internet.</p>
<p>Go to: theletterworthpress.com/nlpworld/7-3ROBBIE.PDF</p>
<p>It will costs you US $5 to download &#8211; and I don&#8217;t get any of that money &#8211; I submitted the paper to the magazine pro bono.</p>
<p>What you may note is that the questions &#8211; and the need for courtesy remain the same. But the linguistics and cognitive psychology basis is different.</p>
<p>For the sake of the people who learn from you, I hope you read it.</p>
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